Recent Historical Comps for Rhys Hoskins
This is probably not going to be a long article but I was curious which players fit the Hoskins profile best in recent history. Carson already established the Hoskins profile as a guy who hits the ball in the air and makes contact.
For that, I searched first basemen that played from 2002 to 2017. I used 2002 because that is the year we started to have batted-ball data. It also means that it mostly covers a high-K era, although it got more extreme recently. As a cut-off, I used 1500 PAs played. 96 players fulfill those criteria.
First, I filtered for an ISO of .200 or greater. I also filtered for a BB% of greater than 9% (because Hoskins also walks), a K% of 20% or smaller, and finally a ground-ball rate of 40% or under.
That leaves a list of just eight names:
Name | G | PA | HR | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | wRC+ | WAR | GB% |
Carlos Delgado | 1044 | 4523 | 244 | 12.40% | 19.50% | 0.26 | 0.298 | 0.278 | 0.38 | 0.538 | 0.385 | 134 | 21.5 | 38.50% |
Derrek Lee | 1393 | 5980 | 259 | 11.50% | 19.40% | 0.222 | 0.325 | 0.289 | 0.374 | 0.511 | 0.38 | 130 | 31 | 39.30% |
Jeff Bagwell | 513 | 2195 | 100 | 13.80% | 18.30% | 0.22 | 0.301 | 0.277 | 0.382 | 0.496 | 0.378 | 127 | 12.2 | 39.70% |
Mark Teixeira | 1862 | 8029 | 409 | 11.40% | 17.90% | 0.241 | 0.282 | 0.268 | 0.36 | 0.509 | 0.371 | 127 | 44.9 | 38.70% |
Anthony Rizzo | 885 | 3799 | 165 | 11.20% | 16.80% | 0.222 | 0.288 | 0.269 | 0.368 | 0.491 | 0.369 | 133 | 23.8 | 39.20% |
Edwin Encarnacion | 1646 | 6781 | 342 | 11.10% | 16.50% | 0.233 | 0.272 | 0.265 | 0.354 | 0.498 | 0.366 | 126 | 29.7 | 36.40% |
Rafael Palmeiro | 573 | 2390 | 122 | 13.30% | 11.50% | 0.231 | 0.249 | 0.264 | 0.364 | 0.495 | 0.365 | 120 | 7.2 | 32.80% |
Paul Konerko | 1827 | 7458 | 355 | 10.20% | 15.00% | 0.211 | 0.285 | 0.278 | 0.357 | 0.489 | 0.363 | 120 | 18 | 37.90% |
Average | 1217.875 | 5144.375 | 249.5 | 0.118625 | 0.168625 | 0.23 | 0.2875 | 0.2735 | 0.367375 | 0.503375 | 0.372125 | 127.125 | 23.5375 | 0.378125 |
The list is a pretty good group. It averages 23 career WAR, a 127 wRC+ and a .273/.367/.503 line. The only downside there might be is that the fly-ball profile could supress BABIP some. The group has a .287 BABIP which is below the league average of .300 during that time span, especially if you consider how hard those guys hit the ball. That means that those guys do underperform their K/BB/ISO profile a little bit. For example, Konerko has a very good power/contact/discipline profile that by my math points to more of a 140+ wRC+, but his actual wRC+ is 120. That is the disadvantage of that extreme profile — you are losing some BABIP to fly outs, especially if you hit more balls in the high fly ball range, which tend to be either HRs or outs, and even more so if there is a slightly elevated pop-up rate coming in conjunction with the fly balls.
But overall that doesn’t matter that much if the K/BB/ISO profile is that good; those guys are all really good hitters even with a slightly lower BABIP. Just expect Hoskins’ hit tool to play under his contact rate a little bit due to that Bautista-like profile (who also had that lower-BABIP, pulled-fly-ball profile with great contact and walk rate).
That means Hoskins might be a .265 hitter despite above-average contact, which also makes his SLG play a little bit down on his power, but he should still get on base on a very good clip and produce excellent power. Just be a little careful when looking at his power, contact, and discipline if you want to bank him for a .300 average/.600 SLG for your fantasy team. He might pay some cost with his elevating that doesn’t come in the form of Ks, but BABIP. But nonetheless he should be very good, even if it is “just” a Konerko/Teixeira type of player and not the next Miggy like some Philly fans probably think right now.
I think overall Hoskins has a great profile but I wouldn’t be surprised if hoskins has a slightly lower than average babip due to his fly ball and pull tendency.
Btw of course those guys are all pretty slow not sure how much influence that has on babip but I don’t think it has a huge influence (I think a faster guy might get 3-4 more infield hits per year than a slow one but most hits even those on grounders make it out of the infield)
Along with the others you mention – Offensively – Hoskins matches up nicely with former Phillie Scott Rolen:
BB% 10.6
K% 16.6
ISO .210
GB% 35.3
Plate Discipline:
O-Swing%: Rolen 21 vs Hoskins 23.8
Z-Contact%: Rolen 89.3 vs Hoskins 91.2
Contact%: Rolen 83.6 vs Hoskins 85.9
SwSt%: Rolen 7.3 vs Hoskins 5.5
Pitch Info Plate Discipline:
O-Swing%: Rolen 26.2 vs Hoskins 28.4
Z-Contact%: Rolen 90.5 vs Hoskins 91.9
Contact%: Rolen 84.9 vs 86
Yes. Only difference is that rolen had a quite evenly distributed profile while hoskins is quite pull heavy.
That is true. I imagine that’s what gave Rolen his relatively high BABIP (.305) despite only hitting 35% GB. Like you have stated before, Hoskins will most likely run a lower than .300 BABIP by virtue of his tendency to pull the ball.
Rolen’s BB distribution is identical to Derek Lee though. With Lee being someone you compared with Hoskins – I can’t be too far off. Actually, the Pull% gap between Hoskins (46.6) and Palmeiro (53.5) and/or Teixeira (52), is bigger than between Hoskins (46.6) and Rolen (41.1).
Anyway, I think you’re probably on to something. It’ll be interesting to see what he is, once he settles in. I would think it’s safe to assume some level of regression is due – but – How much?
I think that the lower babip isn’t a hard rule, only 3 out of my 8 guys have a lowered babip and one in Derek lee even has a higher than usual babip.
Btw my original list doesn’t have pull rate in it. Also it might help hoskins a little that he is right handed as RHH are not as easy to shift (although teams have started to do that more).
But still of course it is interesting that only one out of those 8 hard hitting guys has a significantly elevated babip. You probably need to look into more factors too (like I later did with the pull rate).
I also wonder if pulling hurts the hitters more now than it did 10 years ago due to the drastically increased prevalence of the shift. The good thing is that the low grounder rate minimizes the shift impact some but one third of the batted balls is still some chunk (has anyone studied if the shift does something to line drives?)
By my count, 5 of 8 have lower than .300 for their BABIP. (I did notice that their BABIP listed when using the leaderboards differs from their player pages – it didn’t skew the 5 of 8 though)
Since your list didn’t include Pull%, why was my comp of Rolen discounted, due to his %? Rolen has the exact same placement rates as Lee. These rates along with decent speed are a couple reasons why Lee has an elevated BABIP. Lee has the lowest Pull% (41.2) of the group. The only other two with Pull% lower than 45% are both left-handed. One of which is Rizzo. That’s where the shifting comes into play.
When it comes down to it, Hoskins is going to be the next Hoskins. He’s not any of these guys, including Rolen with more pop. It’s just fun to compare but what do we know?
Rolen isn’t really discounted because of pull percentage but because he isnt a 1b.if he was a 1b he absolutely would be on the list. Rolen was a great find from you I didn’t intent to take him away from you:).
The pull thing I looked at later but it isnt a main point here, I just tried to find a reason for his slightly better babip.
Btw my math and your math are pretty much the same, 3 are above or at 300 and 5 are below:).
Watch out for survivor bais! By using 1,500 PAs as a cut off, you’ve excluding any and all players who may fit this profile, but who’s results caused them to drop out of the league in a couple seasons or less. I’m not sure how much the comps would change by casting a wider net, but it is not surprising that they look decent given that all the washouts have been excluded.
Yeah absolutely, Im making a pretty big assumption here in favor of rhys hoskins. I was just saying his minor league stats fit well in that group, that doesn’t mean his career will be as good as tex or konerko.